2017 Vic5s Tournament Rundown
A quick collection of where we are up to with the Vic 5s coming up.
A few things have changed since last year which changes the nature of how it all plays out. To clear confusion… here is where we are up to.
1. One Day event
Vic 5s Paintball Tournament will be on Sunday 19th March.
With the reduced number of teams in Victoria, and the event, we are able to fit in all the games into one day quite comfortably. When we tried to add more games last year and keep it as a two day paintball tournament, we had some teams struggle to afford the extra paint that it required. 1 day will keep us with plenty of games, while keeping the paintball cost manageable. Regos are slightly reduced on last year to reflect the single day element.
2. G5 Clinic on the Sat
G5 Paintball clinic will be on Sat 18th March.
There will be an optional clinic on the Sat on the final Vic5s layout. This will be provided by G5 Paintball Clinics with Kai Harris and Nathan McDonnell.
The cost of the training will be the same as a normal training day. $20 per person for field fee and normal price on the paintballs. $65 for the Formula 13 and $75 for the Marballizer.
As we are covering the costs of the clinic partly out of paint sales, field paint only please. Partial boxes can be carried over to the Sunday.
3. Costs and Rego
The tournament rego cost has been reduced to $600 from $650 to help with the 1 day factor.
This rego is reduced by $50 for each interstate player you bring to help offset travel costs and fully interstate teams we are waiving the rego completely.
We are hoping to do everything in our power to bring fresh paintball teams and paintball players from interstate to help bolster the scene down here.
To register please head to the rego page as part of the blog. Vic5s Rego
We will email the invoice after we receive the entry to allow us to adjust the costing.
Paintballs done need to be preordered. Please try to stick to the paintball brand breakdown in your registration as we will likely use this to assist in the ordering.
We will have :
Formula 13 – $75
Marballizer – $85
Start and End times
Sat 18th March. 8.30 Gates open, 10am Drill start. Get in early and warm up.
Need to be finished and off field by 3pm. If you are unloading paintballs, please don’t shoot up the bunkers. The early finish is to allow us to clean the field for the tournament the following day.
BBQ will be hot if you want to BYO meat or bring a cut lunch.
Gates open 7am
Captains meeting at 8am
First game 8.30
We are aiming for 1 lap of Round Robin plus finals.
Expecting 7-8 teams in Div 1 at this stage.
We will have lunch available on the day of the tournament. Let us know if you have any specific dietary requirements.
Looking at a mixed Subway platter per team at this stage.
We have had some interest in Div 2 option. If we get a few extras we can run a second division. Wanting 4 as a minimum to separate – let us know how you if this is of interest.
Any questions – please get in touch and we can modify this post to suit.
Mathew – Snipers Den and Vic 5s
Melbourne Paintball League – Round 2
With the success of round 1 of the Melbourne Paintball League, Round 2 has come up on us very quickly. We already have at least 3 new players that will be joining the Victorian paintball community. Once again, if players have some spare gear to bring so that we can help these guys get started, please bring it along. This worked really well last round but as more and more players are joining the ranks, the more important this will be.
As a reminder, as part of the Melbourne Paintball League, we have committed to having the tournament field dedicated to training. This means that you wont need to move off the field for rental players. We found this helped a lot last round as we were able to help player focus on getting time honing skills and getting game time. As it is only one day a month that we are opening this up we do encourage as many teams and players to take advantage of it and get plenty of time on field.
The Days Timeline
9.30 Gates Open
We figured that there is no point starting too early the day after the AFL Grand Final. Get in, have a chat and a coffee and catch up. We are expecting a slow start and a few sore heads from the day before so allow people to gather their thoughts if they look a little rusty. If you don’t recognise someone – make sure that you introduce yourself and help them get started if they need to.
10.30 Drills training
We are finalising who is running the drills but aiming for some really aggressive training to shake things up this month. There will be plenty to learn and practice here for new and experienced players alike. More info will be announced on this in the next few days.
Depending on how long the drills go, we might try to squeeze in a few scrim games before lunch as well.
12.30 Lunch / Safety Course
Bring some meat for the BBQ and have a catch up. We want this to become a little more of the norm and part of the social side of paintball again. Otherwise there are plenty of food options close as well.
Meanwhile we will kick into the safety course for new players. We have 3 lined up already at this point. If there are any other people interested in getting involved, get in contact with Snipers Den Paintball and put your name down. The cost of the Safety course is $30 per person and includes a letter of support if you have started training with Snipers Den Paintball Melbourne to set you up for the Paintball Marker license application.
We have had a 100% pass rate at this stage and don’t expect that to reduce as we are happy to take a little extra time to take you through the material. If you are planning on completing the safety course, make sure that you bring photo id and we will take care of the rest.
1.30 – 2.30 approx League
The League will kick-off as soon as the safety course winds up. We expect this to be around the 1.30 mark but will be dependent on how quick we can smash through it all. If people finish lunch and are up for a game, jump on the field and get a few scrims in.
Those that have not yet been put into one of the 2 teams will be allocated before the League begins. We have setup the in house teams as the “Knights” v “Samurai” and will have more info on these soon as well.
We will be running 8 points again. Currently after the first round we have a 5-3 lead to the Samurai. We will allow sideline coaching of the new players from the sidelines again and any players that can help out with refereeing or calling hits would be appreciated.
After the league, players are welcome to hang around and get some more game time in as a team. We are already expecting to have several teams coming as a unit and this will be the time to play as a team unit. Anyone, not with a team is welcome to throw together a mixed bag side and get some game time as well.
We are enjoying the process of building up the Victorian paintball community and thank everyone for the continued support.
Melbourne Paintball League – Round 1 update
On the 11/9/16 Snipers Den launched the first round of the Melbourne Paintball League for the first time in Victoria.
The idea was to provide a launchpad for new players getting into the sport and to that end it was more successful than we could have hoped. We ended up with 5 pretty new players joining the day’s activities and a few more fairly new to the sport. On top of that we had 3 people successfully sit their catagory “p” safety course allowing them to begin the process of applying for their paintball licence. If anyone wants more information on how to get a paintball license in Victoria get in contact with Snipers Den Paintball Melbourne on 1800SNIPER.
The day began with drills run by Craig “Flash” McIver and the Hard2Overcome team from about 9.30. Hard2Overcome are a Victorian Paintball team that remain one of the more active teams in Melbourne paintball scene. In November the are off to the USA to compete against some of the best teams in the world. They regularly train at Snipers Den and are incredibly disciplined in the way they go about their training. They always start their training with a fitness component with a strong drills methodology as well.
We were really grateful to all the experienced players who helped the new players get into it all. We tried to create an environment that allowed players of all skill levels to be able to grow and train to their own ability. In the end however, the day became more about building up the newer players thanks to all the teams and players that were so generous with their time. We were extremely proud of all the players who contributed their time and equipment to allow the newer players to get a start in the sport.
After the drills we conducted the Safety course for those wanting to get their licence. The course including the multiple choice test takes a little over an hour including the actual test. We like to go through a few extra elements as well such as compressed air safety.
After the safety course there was time for a quick lunch. Only one person took advantage of the free BBQ facilities. We would like to encourage more paintball teams and players to make use of the BBQ for lunches to bring back the social side of paintball.
After lunch we kicked straight into the first round of the Melbourne Paintball League. We started by separating all the players into 2 teams. We have arranged 2 captains for the 2 teams but they were both unavailable for the first round. The 2 captains will be Oz from the Highrollaz paintball team and Joon from Hustle paintball team.
With the Captains unavailable it fell to the vice captains to look after the teams for the first round. Troy from Highrollaz and Sean from HK Reapers took control of the teams. The players present were split into the 2 teams. At stake was the ability to choose from the 2 team names we have chosen to start with. The 2 teams we are starting with are the Knights and Samaurai. We are going to get some jerseys made with the option of purchasing personalised ones coming down the track.
With the teams split, we got into the league games. We played 8 points in total and allowed coaching from the edge of the field for the newer players. This added a different element to the games and assisted in the rapid improvement of the skill level of the newer players in particular. In the end the games fell 5-3 to Troy’s favour and they chose to take the Samaurai mantle.
The games were refereed by Jill from refs inc with help from some of the other players who were willing to help out. This included Goldy and Flash who are both Ref’s inc referees. This is always very much appreciated and makes a big difference to the day.
The day finished with players getting a few games in playing in their normal teams. This is important as the Melbourne Paintball League is not designed to replace the regular team model. Instead we want to keep pushing forward with this alternative training model to compliment the teams that are in the scene already.
Thanks again to everyone for the support so far. It was a great turnout for the first round of the league. Remember that the next round is coming up this weekend on Sunday 2nd Oct. Kicking off at 9.30 and the opportunity to sit a safety course as well. Get in touch with Snipers Den if you want to get involved in paintball as a sport.
Melbourne Paintball League
The first round of the Melbourne Paintball League is rapidly approaching on the 11/9/2016. We would like to see as many teams and players take advantage of the League to add a new element and focus to their paintball training.
There are a few things that we are aiming to achieve with the Melbourne Paintball League.
1. Have a focal point for new players to enter the sport.
We really want to fill the gap between new players and the current paintball competitions.
The league is designed to be a pathway from rental player to finding a team and a method for identifying and recruiting fill in and replacement players.
There needs to be a focal point for new players and a road map for them to join teams and enter higher level tournaments.
2. Bring back social paintball to Melbourne.
Historically paintball has been built around “club days” with teams springing up out of the casual game play for more serious competition. Alternatively teams have focused on individual success often leading to solo team training. We will have the BBQ hot on the day, so bring some meat and bread for lunch.
3. More structured training.
We will have drills run by a different team or player every week. We want to add some variation to the skills that teams practice to help lift the skill set for all Victorian paintball teams. We will announce who is running the drills in the lead up to each League day.
4. Ongoing casual competition.
We want to make sure that there is a casual competition for new and existing players. We want to be splitting all the players into 2 teams. These are not going to be your normal team. We want teams to split themselves across the 2 teams to play the league for a bit of fun at the end of the day. We want the Melbourne Paintball League to be the first taste of competition for new players entering the sport. We will looking at organising jerseys for players that need them. If you have spare markers
or gear, please bring them along.
The current game plan is as follows.
9am – Field open
10am – 12.00 – Drills – More to come…
12.00 – 1 Lunch
1 – 2.30 scrims / open play
2.30 – League games. 10 points shared among the players there on the day.
Price is $20 Field fee as normal. Paint at field pricing – No BYO though please.
Includes refereeing for the league.
We will split the league teams up on the day and add to it as new players come along from week to week.
Lets make paintball great again….
Melbourne Paintball League
We have finalised the details of the new Paintball League that we are launching from September.
Our main goal with the league is to have a regular training and competition to allow new players to enter the sport. We also want to make sure that existing players get something out of the competition and are exposed to the newer players that are entering the sport. We aim to link the event to a full day of drills and scrims to help further develop teams and players. Here is what we have in mind…
1 day a month, dedicated field access
As most people now know, we at Snipers Den Paintball Melbourne have worked very hard to build what we think is the best tournament paintball field in Australia. We have now decided to open it up to competition players for the full day as part of the new league.
This means that the full day, all players participating will not need to stop playing for the birthday party and bucks party style bookings. This is a first for Snipers Den Paintball and a reinforcement of our commitment to tournament paintball in Victoria.
Structured Scrims and Drills
Prior to the paintball league itself we will be maximising the access to the field to make sure that paintball teams and players are training with the best drills and exercises led by the best paintball players in Victoria and where possible Australia. We are also hoping to include some international players where possible to grow the experience of players competing in Melbourne. The drills and scrims will be going from 9am and throughout the day. The Melbourne Paintball League itself will start from 3pm and continue for an hour or 2.
The League Itself
The idea of the Melbourne Paintball League is to start a different type of competition in Victoria.
There will be 2 teams at the start and if the idea grows we will expand it. We hope that the teams that support it will split their existing players between teams. We want this to be a separate type of competition to the team based ones. This will go a long way to allow new players to find a place in teams as they develop.
To begin with we will split the existing pool of tournament players which will form a base for us to direct new players coming into the sport. We will establish Captains which will help foster the new recruits and run the the team. You don’t need to attend every event but when you do you will play for the same league side each time.
For the league we will play 10 points, one day per month. Single point rather than race or mercy and teams will rotate players through to make sure that all players play an even number of points. The idea here is to make sure that newer players have an equal game time to the better, more experienced paintball players.
New players will be drafted to one of the teams depending on the players in the current roster. We will be providing jerseys free to borrow for players although players can wear existing jerseys to assist with sponsorship clashes if needed.
We have small prizes that we are looking at from a number of businesses to make it interesting but it will be far from sheep stations. The cost will be included in the standard field fee and paint will be charged at the normal field price.
The refereeing will be looked after by Jill Henty of Refs inc and will be supplemented by Snipers Den Paintball Melbourne staff as well. People who don’t wish to play can also volunteer to help referee if they would like to help. We will talk about the team side of things in more details but wanted to go over the broader strokes first.
We will be running the Melbourne Paintball League on the first Sunday of the month starting September. We are planning on starting one week late to avoid Fathers Day. So we are looking at (for the rest of 2016) the following.
Same will go for 2017.
We are hoping to launch a separate website for the event – coming soon….
Please fbook or email any thoughts. If you want to read about the thought process that led us to this model click here Building Paintball Melbourne
Mathew – Snipers Den Paintball Melbourne
Competition Paintball is a great sport. Once people enter the Australian Paintball and get established onto a team they tend to be around the sport for a relatively long time. With that said – the sport has some problems that are blocking new players from getting involved, playing a team and developing into a player that can actively compete at a high level.
I actually started this blog post as a lead in to the paintball league that we were looking to run but the more I looked at the structure of the sport of paintball overall in Victoria, the more holes in the current structure became a little more evident. I want to say early that this is not a reflection on any individual, paintball business or paintball event in Victoria but an assessment of how I see the sport at moment – in particular the transition into the sport of paintball in Melbourne. There are many people working hard to build the sport and the industry in general but I think we need to look at the lifecycle of a player in the sport from introduction to the sport to exit. We need to look at the roadblocks to entering the sport and look at some of the factors that push players out of the sport.
Here are a few of the things I have come up with….
1. No Starting point
I think in Victoria we have put a lot of the onus onto the players to handle new paintball players coming into the sport, but this can be a lot to ask – especially without a structure to back it up. Many people that have been playing paintball for 7+ years got their start at Extreme Indoor Paintball in Geelong. Although they have been closed for a while now the structured competition fostered new players much better than we are doing now. Since then focus for a long time in Victorian paintball is on the delivery of the higher level competition and as a result there have been less avenues to get in at a lower level.
While Vic5s (formally the Paintball Association of Victoria) did develop into the current WPBO rules, it did fill that function better in the early stages. Within a few years of the first round in 2010 at Snipers Den Paintball Melbourne, the original round robin series had 28 teams register for the event and many were new players and new teams. The round robin format was a lot easier for newer players to get involved with compared to the “Race to” or “Mercy” model. While it is important to have the more elite formats there needs to be something in between the casual birthday or bucks party paintball session and high level competition.
2. The current team focus
If you commit the time and money it takes to be good at a sport like paintball you want to be competing at the highest level you can. But this is slowly cannibalizing the Melbourne paintball scene. This might seem like an over emphasis but I see this as a massive contributing factor to the reduction in active players and active paintball teams. The current recruiting, is in most cases, coming from a shrinking pool of active players with new players struggling to find a start somewhere.
As often happens in paintball teams, a 5man team will have 7-8 on a roster and be rotating through for different tournaments to make sure that they are competitive. This works well when the roster is maintained but when you lose a player or 2 from the team for lifestyle or other reasons the team has a dilemma… They can either recruit from the new players that they have seen start training or try to attract another experienced player.
There are problems with both options. If they recruit a newer player they are limiting their ability to compete at a high level and play at the level that they are capable of. If they recruit from the pool of existing players they take experienced paintball players from Melbourne paintball teams and negatively affect the competitive level, often leaving bad blood.
The paintball teams that don’t take either of these 2 paths tend to fold which can cause players to become free agents or leave the sport as well. This means that there is no good option when it comes to topping up a paintball team, particularly one with any ambition. We need to make sure that the players have the opportunity to develop in such a way that that they can fill this gap.
They need to be able to train, compete at a lower level and be exposed to teams. This will help plug the cycle of poaching players and the downward spiral of participating paintball teams across Melbourne and Victoria. Support at this level will go a long long way to prop up the upper level of competition paintball in Melbourne.
We recognise our role and responsibility in helping Melbourne paintball players move into the sport. We have thought about and discussed at length how to provide an environment that helps this process and think we have an idea that will help a lot in building the paintball scene back up to the heights of 5 years ago. We hope that existing paintball players support us in this, as it will be an important part of the process.
3.Paintball is expensive
Paintball has a significant cost hurdle in the early stages of entry into the sport. New players can part with a lot of cash by the time they buy a paintball marker (paintball gun), tank, mask, jersey, pants and any padding. While this is certainly comparable if not cheaper than some other activities like motocross, cycling, golf etc. The difference is that stacked on top of the initial entry cost is often a high cost of competition. When you try to make the leap in a short period of time the costs can be harder to manage.
We need to make sure that the initial training and early competition is at a price point that allows the players to gradually build up the equipment necessary to compete at a high level. We need to be able to engage new players and give them a good taste of the sport prior to the cost of a full blown paintball tournament. We are hoping what we will put together will accomplish this.
4. The need to have a team before you start
The teams that have entered the sport have come in as a unit. The issue though is that this is very rare occurrence and more common is for a hopeful player to look to enter the sport solo. The current team model does not make it easy for new players to enter the team bast competitions solo. When they do end up getting a spot on a paintball team at a Melbourne paintball event, it tends to be more of a guest appearance. These roadblocks to entering paintball are not the most conducive to growing the sport. In the last 2 months Snipers Den paintball has already had 12 people successfully complete the P class safety course. In most of these cases the person is not coming as part of a team already but flying solo or close to it to get into the sport.
The Game Plan….
We have come up with an idea that we think will make it much easier on players to transition from casual paintball with rental gear to someone who can be an active member of a team. This has been done well in the past and in a lot of cases, I think everyone connected to tournament paintball in Melbourne and Victoria in general assumed would continue. Before we spell out how the paintball league would look, I was hoping to let current Victorian paintball players have a think about the how the current process works before putting up a potential solution. Anything that addresses the holes in the current model will need to have have the support of the current core group of players and teams to be effective. Would welcome any feedback on the above and any ideas are welcome. I will put up the game plan for the league as a separate post and hope that players will see the game plan and support it.
Mathew – Snipers Den Paintball Melbourne
For the League details – Melbourne Paintball League
We are often asked if people can buy their own paintball gun in Victoria.
If you are looking to play more competition paintball in Melbourne you will ultimately need to get your Category P license. Prior to 1996 you could buy a paintball marker (gun) using a category A or A/B license.
From 1996 onward the legislation surrounding the legality of paintball in Victoria changed and this included the rules for obtaining a paintball marker. Part of the justification for the change was the negative effect caused by paintball markers being included on the same categories as many rifles and shotguns. The issue arose when people began to apply for a gun license because they wanted to buy a paintball gun. The concern was that once they acquired a paintball marker they had the appropriate license that could be used to purchase firearms that they had no legitimate need for.
It was also observed that the the safety course required to obtain a category A/B license would not address the differences related to the nature of paintballing. The obvious component of that is that with a “real” firearm being a rifle or shotgun, the golden rule is to never ever point it at anyone. A great rule, but not as relevant when it comes to paintball. In fact it is the actual point of paintball…
As a result in 1996, the licenses separated and a new firearm license category was created. The Category P license allowed people to own paintball markers without the complications that arise from a category A/B license. A safety course, unique to paintballing was created. The paintball safety course was more suited to the realities of the sport. Snipers Den are now running safety courses to help facilitate people getting into the sport of paintball in Melbourne more regularly. Keep in mind that to play paintball in Victoria you do not need to be licensed. Even to train and compete you don’t need to get a paintball license. Ultimately when you do play competition paintball however you will eventually want to buy a paintball marker of your own and that is where the license kicks in.
If you want to own a paintball marker in Victoria you need to get your paintball marker license. The application can be downloaded from the Victoria Police Website. http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=34324 To support the application you will also need to have 2 supporting pieces. You will need to have proof of the safety course as well as a genuine reason for holding the license.
As far as the safety course goes, Snipers Den Paintball Melbourne is well equipped to help with. Currently we are running the courses every couple of weeks and you can give us a call to express your interest. The Paintball safety course goes for about 1 – 1.5 hrs and we generally cater for 2-8 people at a time. The safety course involves a video, a discussion on the safety of paintball and a multiple choice test at the end. At Snipers Den Paintball Melbourne we also include a run down on compressed air safety, paintball gas bottles including refilling and velocity checking (chronographing) of paintball markers. We will also discuss factors such as the storage and transportation requirements.
Genuine Reason for holding a Paintball Marker License
There are 2 easy ways to justify your paintball marker license. One is a letter of support from a paintball field. While this one is technically accepted it is not preferred as it is too open ended. The preferred option is to be a member of a Club as this has an expiry date and needs to be renewed. Very important – If you are a member of a paintball club, it is your responsibility to maintain the membership. If your membership lapses, this forms grounds to have your license cancelled.
Snipers Den Paintball Melbourne is expecting to have a club up and running by late September and in the interim, we can provide a letter to confirm that you are an active player. We will convert this to be a membership once we are established.
If you are interested in getting into paintball in Victoria please contact Snipers Den Paintball Melbourne on 0395683969 to find out when the next safety course will be.
This week there was a major movement in the age limit legislation relating to paintball in Victoria. We have seen an amendment added to the Justice Legislation Bill 2015 – proposing the age for paintball ion Victoria will drop from 18 to 16.
As the Bill had already passed the lower house the time frame for implementation will be significantly reduced. From here the bill needs to be approved again in the lower house and then formally announced.
The lower house sits again from 9/6/2015 and we would expect the lower house to stamp it during that week. The time from there to the bill going live is unknown and generally happens with very little warning. We are hoping that at some stage in June we will run the first session of 16year olds.
If you are interested in being among the first 16 year olds to play paintball in Victoria email email@example.com and we will contact you as soon as we know the first date we can run games for people under the age of 18.
This age drop is the first reduction in the age of paintball participants since the industry was established decades ago. We are extremely excited about the movement in the minimum age for paintball and look forward to opening up the world of paintball to many more people!
Prior to establishing Snipers Den Paintball Melbourne at the current Moorabbin location we looked at a number of options.
We considered opening an indoor venue but quickly decided that outdoor paintball was the better option. I explored outdoor vs indoor paintball in this previous blog post.
We decided that we wanted to be as close to the actual geographic center of Melbourne as possible. In Melbourne like many cities, the CBD is not actually the centre of Greater Melbourne. In Melbourne the CBD is closer to the Western side of the city meaning that the majority of people live in the suburbs to the East of the Melbourne CBD.
This led us to start in the Eastern Suburbs – as close to the middle of the population as possible. We managed to refine it to an area shown in this map…
We essentially decided that we would go no further than Springvale road and no further North than Melbourne’s Eastern Freeway around Blackburn. We looked closely around Clayton, Oakleigh, Bentley and Murrumbeena but was unable to find any suitable space and widened the search to the open areas through the market garden areas. These encompassed Heatherton, Dingley, Moorabbin, Braeside, and Mordialloc. We did not want to push any further out than Mordialloc. We originally discussed building a paintball field slightly North of the current paintball site that we operate.
When we stumbled across the land for lease at the current site we operate in Moorabbin we knew we had discovered the best location for Melbourne Paintball. It Still took 6 months of council applications and a further 6 months of site works to complete the site but we opened in August 2009 – ahead of schedule by a month.
The location has proved successful being the closest outdoor paintball venue to Melbourne CBD from both a distance and travel time perspective. We are amazed to have found a 7 acre site suitable for a paintball facility this central and it has lead to more and more customers enjoying the fields year on year.